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     <div class="post first with-image edited" id="c_1416375">    <a data-epoch="1337595969" class="dateline permalink time_stamp" href="https://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/all/2012/05/21/mobile_forensics/#c_1416375" title="Permalink to this post">Monday 21st May 2012 10:26 GMT</a>   <a class="author" href="https://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/02/01/register_comments_guidelines/#anon" target=_blank><span>Anonymous Coward</span></a>       <form method=GET action="https://forums.theregister.co.uk/post/report/1416375" class=report>
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        <p>And I can bet, just like DNA, no matter what the ECHR say, they'll still retain it.</p>
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        <p>That a warrant-less pockets-search is OK does <b>not</b> imply that a wrrant-less cellphone search should be OK.</p>
        
        <p>There's data on one's cellphone which one possibly might carry in one's pockets, but usually do not:</p>
        
        <p>o List of friends and enemies, their phone numbers, when you last spoke, and for how long.</p>
        
        <p>o List of business contacts, their phone numbers, when you last spoke, and for how long.</p>
        
        <p>o Content of SMS messages and emails you sent and received, including confidential business and personal info ("Your VD tests turned up clean..."; "Joe Fookleheimer was caught on CCTV banging an intern in a carpark [vid attached]. Release this before the next board meeting, and you could steal his job.")</p>
        
        <p>o Photos you sent and received, including nude pic your wife/GF sent you.</p>
        
        <p>o Where you have physically been, when you were there, and for how long.</p>
        
        <p>All this sort of info can be leaked to your detriment, or misused against you.</p>
        
        <p>Pre-cellphone era, they'd have to mind-probe you (or blackmail you, or torture you) to get that info, and now the cops/prosecuters want to just vacuum all that up <i>without probable cause or a warrant</i>, easy as pie, and keep it for potential further (mis-)use.</p>
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    <p>that's naked pics of your missus in the hands of plod. the need to not contaminate the evidence chain will not help you because it can be easily copied.</p>
    
    <p>what can they do with the picture of you with your junk tucked between your legs pretending to be a woman in the mirror? anything.</p>
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    <p>"Good Morning! What would you like to do today?"</p>
    
    <p>1. Upload kiddie pron to Perps phone.</p>
    
    <p>2. Upload call records and texts from Al Qaeda</p>
    
    <p>3. Text "ICE- Wife" with Saucy Suzie Call.</p>
    
    <p>4. Just fusck up the phone.</p>
    
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    <p>Anybody with a pile of mobiles without data connectivity will just also go lol at this.</p>
    
    <p>Also if I was worried and personaly not breaking the law covers me against this (well to a 95% level anyhow as I didn't make my phone or its OS so there are flaws). Well i would simply use skype via a VPN and modify my phone so would need a special modified charger, anything else would instantly cause some extreeme voltages that would not bode the phone well, as well as the machine attached as well perhaps. This would then be a case of the police tampering with evedence. Though the law's of quantum mechanics and a good jury can argue that the by observing they tampered with the evidence in any case :-).</p>
    
    <p>Personaly instead of a 5 day course indicating the software is badly written to the extent that it is not plug in, wait for machine to go ping, unplug, is light flashing red or green. They should talk to a univercity about getting a Raspberry PI and making a small box that does just that. If I had one I'd happily do that and after working out what a policeman gets paid for over 5 days, charge them around the price they pay for 5 hours work for the whole thing and still make a fat margin and sell more. Either way how much are they paying for it currently, how much does the training course cost and then the epenses of the officer to attend the training course etc etc and get the true cost.</p>
    
    <p>But for using the device they shouldn;t need 5 ruddy days, anyalysing the results - well maybe, but only need a few in back office for that and the main devices just extract the data for analysis. Though can see how if i wasnted to creame a contract I'd mush the income about over cost of hardware, then software, then other software extra's, support, hardware support, training. Those who have past the period of 7 years in IT will know the cynical but true observation in alot of products out there.</p>
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    <p>It's either that or mod my phone to do a retinal scan before allowing access to the filesystem.</p>
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    <p>25million homes in the UK, currently 2.5mill unemployed, give them all a job and you would have 1 cop for every ten homes. There we go, no need for expensive solutions, a cop in every street and we can even get rid of unemployment.</p>
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    <p>As for ACESO; it's not known as the Fisher-Price of phone forensics for nothing. Yes, it is indeed easy to use, but hugely limited and unless conditions are perfect, including standing upwind and crossing all available limbs, you'll struggle to get anything apart from some very basic information using it. Despite the manufacturer's hype, phone forensics requires rather more complex kit, substantially more knowledge than can be garnered from a week of training, time to perform the work, as well as initiative and experience.</p>
    
    <p>At a time when capabilities of phones, as well as anything digital, if we're honest, continue to increase at a whopping rate, perhaps some money should be invested in some proper labs instead, rather than reducing budgets and headcount further, whilst expecting the remaining staff to sift through seized equipment, along with its greater capacity for storage, in less time.</p>
    
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